If you are interested in a Raspberry PI project, take … For RI9403, please check KIT-GGX-EU. Last updated: Thursday, October 24, 2019 >>> Here is the Poemia version <<< This is a multifunctional Homemade PID controller (more info here), based on Arduino, connected to my Gaggia Classic espresso machine. This is a different controller from our universal controller SYL-1512. Gaggia PID Controller This project is a PID controller for a Gaggia Paros (or Gaggia Classic) coffee machine using Arduino and a few other components. PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic 2 Replies 851 Views Rocky47 2 PID Kit for older plastic body Gaggia Classic « on: June 28, 2019, 01:16:33 PM » I have an older Gaggia classic with the plastic outer shell. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Modifications last year total just under $300 and I have all receipts. Personally I think the biggest upside to the PID is the steam, in particular the fact that it basically keeps the boiler on the whole time during steaming and holds the temp up there. In F the graph shows about 200. In addition, the sensor is built inside of a screw and will fit into the existing thermowell for the coffee thermostat. Your mileage may vary. I've noticed that when I flick the steam switch, the boiler stays on until it reaches roughly 150 degrees, then cuts off. JT says: 18 January, 2021 at 1:06 pm The most difficult part was changing out the coffee temp Your mileage may vary. Instruction Manual: The instruction manual & installation documents are only available for downloading for customers who already purchased the kit. More info´ on Auber Instruments PID   Your link has been automatically embedded. There's no doubt going blind leaves me with shots that go from fantastic to 'meh'. To install the kit, users will need the following: No need for special tools. Anyone? The stock Gaggia Classic's thermostat allows for pretty big temp swings.   You cannot paste images directly. Have fun! I used mine at Auber's recommended settings and it worked fine but, remember, you are not measuring and controlling the temperature of the water as it passes through the coffee, nor even the temperature of the water in the boiler, but the temperature of the side wall of the boiler. Users can also easily adjust the brew water temperature to suit their own tastes. Pretty sure the Mr Shades mod is the same. 6-month limited warranty with 30 days money back guarantee is offered. New Members: So by the time the water makes it to the puck, you could be … Note 2: For owners of Gaggia Classic Pro, please contact us if the wiring in your machine is different from the installation guide, please contact us. The temp at the group appeared to peak at 97/98 degrees and settle at about 95/96. It doesnt turn on again until the temp drops to about 120. The PID was installed in April, 2020 and again, performs flawlessly. The kit works for 115 VAC and 240VAC. So I'm sticking with 102/103 for now, but will do some more tests over time. Paste as plain text instead, × I'm not sure if this is right and will be looking into it over the next couple of days. We are often referred to as the friendliest forum on the web and we look forward to welcoming you onboard. - 120V, US "Gaggia Classic Pro" RI9480/?? This PID controller kit is designed to retrofit into the Gaggia Classic, Gaggia Coffee, and Gaggia Coffee Deluxe espresso machines. Note 4: Links to replacement parts: sensor PT100M4; single-channel SSR: SRDA25. Note 1: This kit fits the Gaggia Classic Pro (RI9380/46, released in early 2019), Gaggia Classic & Home which has the traditional Gaggia aluminum boiler, including 14101, RI8161/40 and RI9303 models. £100 p/m when paid yearly, up-to: 690000 banner impressions per month! If you follow them you will not have any difficulty. I followed them to a "T" and Silvia Die Gaggia New Classic ist eine interessante Espressomaschine die als Einstieg in die Welt des Espressso zubereitens sehr gut geeignet ist. × Auber's kit includes detailed disassembly instructions for Silvia and installation instructions for the PID, along with detailed color photos of both. In order to save the customer’s time on assembling and reduce the chance of making mistake, we also pre-assembled these parts and set all parameters for the controller. Thus, it will significantly improve the taste of your espresso. Screw driver, pliers, a socket wrench and small amount of alcohol. About Compared to buying the controller and components separately, this kit is a great value. I've read that they can improve stability or recovery time. For now I've left it on the default and change things each time to try different temperatures. Two different colors of the controller box are offered, the silver and black. The black box has a durable powder coating. The silver box is coated with clear anodized aluminum with a brush finished stainless steel front panel. I have changed the temp up +/- 2 degrees to test the temp at the group (using a bottomless pf, foam cup and insta-read thermometer) to see if it matches with Aubers own research and have found it to be pretty similar. By The platinum RTD temperature sensor used has greater accuracy and long-term stability than thermocouple sensors. Clear editor. The only work needed to be done by the customer either has to be done during installation or is difficult to ship pre-assembled. Factory setting works just fine. I haven't got round to building a temp gauge yet... Do people have any preferred default setup or starting point for a new coffee that is remarkably different from the default? If you have the US version (120V, RI9380), you DO NOT need this piece of wire. Gaggia Classic Pro 2018/2019 models, including the, how to download the manual for coffee machine kits, Automobile Multimeter for EGT, Boost, Red, PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion. The temperature of a small single boiler/dual use machine like the Classic is never going to be as stable as the LED numbers suggest. We use color coded cables with either fluoropolymer or silicone insulation. origmarm, December 4, 2012 in Gaggia Forum. Platinum RTD temperature sensor with tip made for the thermowell on the machine, High temperature resistant wires, color coded, cut to length and terminated with proper connectors, Digital version installation guide and operation manual with text and photos, Basic  knowledge of electronics wiring and safety. Apologies if this is a repeat of information that's out there somewhere but I haven't found it despite repeated searches (this could be something to do with PID being too short a string to search on...). Given the document Auber provide with the PID the studies seem to suggest that a setting of 102 will get you an average brew temp at the head of approx 93. Certainly fitting a PID to a Classic does make it more stable, but if you think you are actually controlling the brew temperature to within a degree you may well be under the influence of the placebo effect. Upload or insert images from URL. Note 3: For advanced features like pre-infusion/shot timer, steam temperature control, please see KIT-GGP. Powered by Invision Community. Einbau in eine Gaggia Classic (Modell 9303) Temperatursurfen nervt, also musste ein PID in die Maschine… Prinzipiell ist die Gaggia als Einkreiser analog zur Rancilio Silvia aufgebaut, also werde ich mich hier auf Gaggia-Besonderheiten und Unterschiede beschränken. Please see our FAQ page on how to download the manual for coffee machine kits. Orders shipped outside of US will be set to Celsius. You can post now and register later. I've got an Auber PID fitted to my classic and of late I've been playing with the settings and tasting out. I installed an Auber PID on mine to help with consistency with my pulls. I wasn’t happy with the market PID controllers, so I’m creating my own for my Gaggia Classic Pro and this article was very helpful. I'll report back once mine is fitted and I;ve had a chance to experiment a bit. Solid state relay with mounting hardware and heat conductive paste. To set the target temperature, press the ‘Set’ button on the front of the panel. It is suitable for the Gaggia Classic or other machine with a silver color. What are your experiences? No need to learn how to set up the PID controller (usually, this is the most challenging part of the project for espresso drinkers with little electronics background). Doing either this or a PID plus some pre-brew temperature surfing is highly recommended. For European version of Gaggia Classic 2015 (RI9403, 230V) please check KIT-GGX-EU. The kit includes 20 different types of parts that would cost substantially more if purchased separately (26 pieces total). Has anyone changed the steam temps. I used mine at Auber's recommended settings and it worked fine but, remember, you are not measuring and controlling the temperature of the water as it passes through the coffee, nor even the temperature of the water in the boiler, but the temperature of the side wall of the boiler. I was wondering if there just wasn't that much experience with these out there, glad to see I'm not alone . Has anyone messed with the P,I or D values? Coffee Forums UK is the UK's premier coffee forum Started in June 2008 by Glenn Watson, we now have more than 24000 mainly UK based members, and welcome more than 3000 members and visitors from around the world each day! is consistent enough all round for small adjustments in target temp to make a big difference. I paired my Gaggia with a Sette 270Wi, the whole latte love starter pack. If you purchased the kit from our website, please login and download the manual from your order history page. PID KIT for Gaggia Classic Pro & Classic & Home, Pre-infusion [KIT-GGP] - $189.98 : Auber… Update: This kit is compatible with the newly released Gaggia Classic …   Pasted as rich text. With a PID controller added to the heater control circuit, brew water temperature can be controlled The add-on item "extra wire defeating auto-off timer" is for Gaggia Classic Pro European model (230V?RI9480), which has the auto-turn-off feature. This reduces the project time from days (or even weeks considering ordering these parts separately) to less than an hour. I added computer controlled initial boiler temp and heat during brew. New Steam valve complete with new knob March, 2020. All the cables in the kit have higher temperature endurances than the original cables used by the manufacturer. - 230V, EU "Gaggia Classic 2018/2019" IMPORTANT: Unfortunately none of the PID kits are suitable for the EU Gaggia Classic 2015-2018 model (with stainless steel boiler If you want to defeat that auto power off feature, please add this piece of wire to your order. 102 should be the same at the head each time (with x degrees) which makes the temp repeatable to a greater degree but I don't think it's going to be anything like 102 at the group. To be honest, although the Auber PID is an excellent updgrade to the Classic, don't expect miracles. With a PID controller added to the heater control circuit, brew water temperature can be controlled to within ±1°F accuracy. With strategic investment and digital expertise from the Jackson Lockhart team (Tait Pollack and Adam Bateman), we are taking Coffee Forums UK to the next level, and are delighted to share the journey with you. Please select the color of the box at the top of this page. I presume other forum users have done this or similar given the ubiquity of the Classic and the type of person that frequents the forum... Is there any consensus as to the ideal PID setting to achieve 'Schomer's temp' at the head? The default PID parameter setting is for Fahrenheit units for orders shipped within US. 218-219F worked best for me. I've been enjoying my Gaggia Classic since 'getting serious' a few months ago, but have been considering a PID. I've now installed my Auber PID and have been using it with the factory settings so far. Get Your Supporter Badge Today (per year), © Copyright, Coffee Forums UK I only generally make a couple of drinks a day so recovery isnt an issue for me. Temperature variations within the controller’s environment will not affect the accuracy of its reading. Rancilio Silvia PID Kit with Preinfusion - Jetblack Espresso I played around a bit but as RoloD said, its pretty pointless worrying about 1 degree when the error of any offset between boiler wall and group will likely be greater than that anyway. The Auber PID mod I did required no drilling for my Gaggia classic pro. Two additional parameters are included to balance the requirements of cold start speed, shot recovery speed and long term stability. Display as a link instead, × Previous model RI9303 is also compatible. This will prevent the potential electrical shock caused by PVC insulated wires touching the boiler during operation. Good luck with installation. But this kit doesn't fit the new European model RI9403, which has a stainless steel boiler with a different thermostat mounting. Please read our Terms of Use. Please specify if you want it changed. I have ordered my PID from Auber, just waiting for it to arrive? Custom manufactured PID temperature controller with parameters set for the machine. I have left this at factory settings for now but have played 5+/- to see what I get. Update: This kit is compatible with the newly released Gaggia Classic Pro 2018/2019 models, including the US version (RI9380, 120V) and the European version (RI9480, 230V). If you have issues downloading the zip file, please try using Chrome browser. Just double sided tape holds it to the side of the machine. 218-219F worked best for me. Looking forward to installing this We stick by them, existing members please familiarise yourselves with them. This Arduino based controller improves the stability of the water temperature of the coffee machine by controlling the boiler with a PID control loop feedback. It''s a good setup. Espresso machine: Gaggia R19380/46 Classic Pro Espresso Machine (Chesterfield) $250 Gaggia Classic espresso machine (Sunnyvale) $95 Gaggia Classic Espresso Machine $225 Given this initially I was thinking of raising the temp to 104 on mine as a starting point to try and achieve something more like the 95 (203.5) that is supposed to be the ideal per Schomer. It is suitable for other colored espresso machines. Der kleine Einkreiser punktet in Sachen Verbauung, ist solide und liefert gute Ergebnisse. Gaggia Classic SBDU Preheat PID Temperature Recovery and Stability, Steam Espro P5 Coffee Press The best press pot you can buy today, with 2x filtration, amazing looks & … Keen to hear people's experiences. This product was added to our catalog on Tuesday 26 June, 2007. For the Gaggia Classic, taking into account the temperature drop between the boiler and the group head (5-8 degrees C), the PID target temperature should be set to about 103 degrees C or 220 degrees F at sea level. I believe (and this is purely conjecture - I don't have the evidence to back it up) that the temperature of the group and portafilter, and whether the boiler is full of hot water cooling down or cold water heating up are all going to have a significant effect on the actual brew temperature. I used a Gaggia Classic with an Auber PID for many years. That said I'm conscious that each machine is going to be different etc..etc.. so I'm thinking it's probably a waste of time.   Your previous content has been restored. × To be honest, although the Auber PID is an excellent updgrade to the Classic, don't expect miracles. It not only offers better performance but also saves you time and money. I tend to agree that it's an improvement in terms of stability but that the number is just a relative point, not an absolute i.e. See here for details. The PID controller in this kit is specifically modified for home espresso brewing applications. punktet in … RI9380/?? Overall I just don't think the machine (or me!) I also used the recommended factory setting. Bright anodized (or black for Gaggia Coffee) aluminum box with mounting slot pre-cut and wiring hole sealed with rubber grommet. It''s a good setup. Step 1 : – identical Step 2 : power from rear connector – meCoffee#2#green goes on the brown wire – meCoffee#6#red goes on the blue wire ( in the Classic, blue is ‘LIVE’ ) Step 3 : – remove steam thermostat, place The heater turns on at 210 and turns off at 260 . A Gaggia Classic has more than enough heater power to maintain (or This PID controller kit is designed to retrofit into the Gaggia Classic, Gaggia Coffee, and Gaggia Coffee Deluxe espresso machines. I noted a definite bitter taste when going up to 105 degrees, which I didn't expect. Click Here To Buy Advertising Space  It is suitable for the machine easily adjust the brew water temperature to suit their own tastes round for adjustments! 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